Its quiet now. Also as a child there was a Ski Lodge and slopes on Black Mountain. I had to laugh at your reference to government cheese. It really was good stuff! Yes, Big_O,, I remember the man you asked about. Then, I moved to Lexington, Kentucky and found out that I was pretty tough by Lexington standards. The people of Harlan are among the nicest people I have ever met and I have traveled all over the country. My brother and I thought we had died and gone to Heaven. Like inner cities, there are generations locked into a poverty cycle. There are a few folks who left and dont care to ever hear of Harlan again, but thats true of all small towns. U take car cuz. Happy to be an Outlander! When I first saw the documentary, I was on the edge of my seat, wondering how my dad would be portrayed, but his name was never mentioned. We are related to at least one coal miner. After hours we would head to the American Legion behind the Post Office. We live in McCreary Co now, so still SEKY. I have a 94 year old aunt who still lives there. We currently have a lot of re-fencing to do, interested :). I have lived here all my life and even tho at times i feel like due to work i may have to leave, i doubt i ever could. I plan to continue reading your blog. Born and raised in Cumberland.I live in Florida now loved your article.Proud of my roots! I was born in Pineville, Ky but grew up in Pathfork. I remember when you had to take a gravel road from Pineville to Loyall when they were building the new 119. I got cussed up and down over it! I appreciate your comments but must, of course, defend myself. People were practically hanging on it. How do we know they dont live in a ghetto. I was blessed to have been raised in the mountains. Im pretty sure Lanes Cliffhanger was in the old Mount Aire building. I try to go back a couple times a year, for nostalgia as much as bagging those elusive, scarce birds. Restoring any closed widgets or categories. When I started reading this blog I thought well this is alright, but as I continued I came to realize that you dont know what the hell your talking about. To add to my previous comment above, my other Grandfather was Elijah Depew (nicknamed Lidge? Thanks. he passed away in 2013. his wife, jan, passed back in february of this year. Edit. Good old Mikes drive in, where one of Harlan Countys finest young men threatened me with a belt when I stepped in to defend a younger friend. Good stuff, John. Oh, well. Loved reading your blog and reminiscingI was raised in Harlan County both parents having been from there. Food stamps, too. Entertained by the tendency to call you a mooron and ignorant while not fully grasping the importance of grammar and spelling. Used to go to Cumblin every Fride and satdy nite. Jenny, I worked in Harlan Co. in the 90s on the railroad and worked with a Saylor but cant remember his first name. I am doing a genealogy study on the Leonards, McKendricks and Boteler families who lived at one time in Harlan County and some that still do. Im happy living here. So, I guess Im just arguing it is in the wrong state One of the women told her story about him telling her about the gun he had on the seat next to him, under a rag and that if she brought that stick down on his car, he would use it. I was born in Harlan County, Louellen specifically, but moved away when I was little due to my dad being in the Navy. His name was Arthur Johnson, he was from Cumberland, but lived at Harlan County She stayed there for a few months but felt things just werent the same so she moved back to Newport News where she had made some good friends. My little brother had a knife pulled on him at Cawood. So translation you perhaps do not have no prospect of progress which would mean you do have prospect of progress.. you are right few have paid you such complements. My parents married in Harlan County in 1949. Im sure youd know if you were related. No one should have to make a livin working between 2 rocks. It is funny how people from all over the Country know where you are talking about when you say you are from Harlan Co. and many of them visibly tense on that statement. I found the search function and found the story. Whatever happened to Basil Collins Wiki User 2009-04-27 11:24:22 Study now See answer (1) Best Answer Copy Basil is currently burning eternally within the 7th Brings back so many memories. Fleming County has beautiful, rolling hills, but they arent mountains. Holmes mill was actually named after my family. In talking about monthly checks, I can remember visiting my family in Louellen, a coal mining camp in those days, and going down to the the company store and watching people get their cheese in blocks and their commodity meat which was actually spam. HA! I guess Ive waited too many years to ask, but it would be nice if someone knew of him or my other Grandfather Bill Randolph. The hills and hollers made me who I am today and the people I love still call Eastern Kentucky home. Its nice to read good thoughts of Harlan County. The Chappells Dairy Slogan: It may be good and not be ours, but it cant be ours and not be good. That I can remember but I cant find my car in the parking lot? Greenup is east of Harlan, Ashland is east of Whitesburg, and if Catlettsburg gets any more east it`s going to be West Virginia, are you seriously arguing with the lat/ and longitude? It might have been the wrong side of the tracks, but I knew some good folks from there. I was able to buy it when we lived in the Corbin area for $20 a box. I have no information on a Clarence Leonard in our family tree. I wonder if youre related to Clarence Leonard who lived near Evarts. There arent running gun battles anymore like the famed Battle of Evarts many decades ago. Your mother was my teacher at Hall High for four years. Brought back some memories. My dad was one of them, outside Tommy Lees barbershop. I am origionally from Atlanta. But you also are basically running down the place you were born. Two of my best friends were Steve Farley and Jamie Helton. No complaining here though. It would occasionally be condemned but re-open at some point. We rarely hung out with anyone from Evarts or Cumberlandin those days, they had their own high schools. Finally I hang on long enough to get a real person. I made another U turn and started back toward Harlan at a much slower pace and was directed to take the Loyall turn off. I know you as a Harlan Countain and also as a fine person. I left Ky in 1990 but go back very very often. I grew up in Wilhoit and went to Loyall High for the first part of my freshman year, then moved to Indiana, but I still go back to Harlan often, my sister still lives there. There is no Holiday Inn Express in Harlan. We like people to think wed kill them for some trivial reason. The obvious beingwe are just like you and every one else. Eastern Ky is not privvy to divorce is it?? (LogOut/ I graduated from Cumberland High School in 1975. I have many good friends I have met through the Hall High Gamecock web site. We have corresponded back and forth for several years about our Leonard connections. How can I contact your Uncle Clarence E. to find out if he has any information to help with my research? NEAR CLOSPLINT KY AND I AM PROUD TO BE FROM HARLAN CO THAT IS HOME ALTHOUGH I LIVE IN CORBIN KY NOW. They point to the many fine folks in the county who were (and still are) horrified by the goings on at Eastover. Andas for the grid: Morehead is east of Middlesboro. If someone tells you that he or she is from Harlan, they could mean any town from Pathforkto Holmes Mill to Cumberland to Cranks. Im actually kind of offended by your antics and false information. I believe you will see that I have great affection for Harlan, much more than many of the people who still live there. I would sometimes go out and spend a month or two with my grandparents and spend some nights with other family members in Harlan and Bell counties. My mom grew up in Cutshin, my dad was from Martins Fork, they met at The Court Cafe. A rural county of 27,000, Harlan Countys average household income is about $29,000. After all no one I know would go north of the Ky border to see. I love your blog, it is a great read. The previous mentioned Clarence E. Leonard is my Uncle. Women took over the picket lines. It well deserves its Academy Award, and 1990 inclusion in My cousin posted the link on Facebook and I have not been able to move till finishing the read. If not, you should. Help me out with what category to look at to fi the hitchhiking story. Rapist who attacked Demi Moore Anyway, thanks again. I love your article! Although we certainly werent poor, Government Cheese is excellent, and my Dad would get us a block whenever he could. Thanks again for the good read. Youd be surprised how many of us moved here from other places (quite a few from other countries), were welcomed as friends, made our homes here and raised our families here. Dont be offended by one persons response that could learn and use some respect compared to the many nice responses. Oh, and we moaned and complained about not having anything to do. Isolation. I think we also went to RC Bottling Plant at Loyall. Alan Creech, such nice thoughts and memories of this beautiful part of God earth that I am proud to call home. I have always been proud of being from Cawood in Harlan County. The people certainly are of Eastern Kentucky stripe, but they do lack isolation. My Mother, Reba Campbell, was born in Liggett. I love the fact she loves a mountain boy, just like her Momma did:) This is a great article!! I LOVE where i am from and am harlan county proud even when i dont have much to be proud of.lol. Most OUTSIDE THE COUNTY shopping, doctors visits, etc were in Tennessee We lived the last house in the head of the holler with my poppy and granny our only neighbors. About 1,000 people lived there when I was a kid. 63 the Home daily of the 1174, Now, sadly, its a way of life in the mountains. My husband has worked in low coal where one had to crawl to get to your section. Moo-ron. I do think this is good stuff. Crackin me up. I spent at least a week during the summer vacation every year growing up visiting the Harlan area and family enjoying every visit which included rail road tracks and slate dumps on one side of house and the Cumberland River on the other side all residing in a big holler off HWY 38. I just said, hey, he was my neighbor. Thanks for the kind comments. We knowthat houses have winders and chimleys. I made the mistake of posting a picture of Basil on a Harlan County Facebook page. Loyallalso had a theaterthe Roadenuntil I was about 6 years old. Like anywhere else, you have to hope to you dont cross paths with the bad ones at the wrong time. Second, my parents lived in Harlan County their entire lives, as have aunts, uncles, cousins and many of my closest friends. My parents who were also my papaw and mamaw owned Tiny Jos market in Baxter. You have to sound like us. Basil Collins; Did you know. That hurts everyone. I rarely saw Janice after I left the hospital, What is Eastern Kentucky? Sally Simonton. It was a thriving community in the 60s-70s. I know that area well. ! Whatd I say? Were about the same age. Yes. My husband is a retired coal miner. You havent had a grilled cheese sandwich until youve had one made with govment cheese, govment butter and fresh Bunny Bread. Were the last group thatcan openly derided. It reeked of Pine Sol. I have been told that he worked harder than 3 men. That is certainly true, but I must say that those unfortunates (if thats what they are) are the in minority.. Still consider Harlan County as home. Finally I tried talking like a city slicker but I was too Eastern Kentucky that way. We didnt have that problem when I lived there. We are our own world. It captured the essence of Jimmy. They were both sweet, kind, honest, decent people. Im an outlander, living in Pulaski County. There she met my father and I was born in 1952. Nimrod Workman. Hi aurea, Ive helped ur grand paw make many many gallons of moonshine just over the hill from ur mom n dads house. Ha, Ha. A striking coal miner was in critical condition last night in Harlan County, Ky., after being struck in the head by a shotgun blast. I am sure he is talking about when he grew up and how times were then I am from Harlan live here now .I loved the article and havent read anything disrespectful . I have lived in Evarts since age 7 this is my home (sals Branch) I had your mom in home Ec. We wore machine guns with semiautomatic carbines. born and raised in harlan ky live in northern. And should I know you? I lived in Harlan and Loyall. Her husband had been killed during the war. Welfare checks. One guy said we were like Indians who left the reservation. I graduated in 71 from JACHS. Please received our heartfelt condolences. She was a great homemaker and was full of wit, wisdom and love. Never mind. Many who knew of the hair would be shocked to know he wears it pretty much buzzed these days. It will always be home., Thanks. I love your wifes Loll great story! John,I also remember those 1st grade field trips. Now, dont confuse Harlan County with the town of Harlan, our county seat. We werent eligible for cheese, either, but my Dad would get it anyway! I go back to Ky at least once a year. Oh, i think these shows are a joke, they couldnt do the truth,,, thank you, Lane. Oh the cheese made the best grilled cheese, My wife from Ohio and my 2 children even loved it. (LogOut/ I dont live in Harlan now, but Im still a Harlan Countian. Sadly, they didnt seem to be doing well. Oxford American | The Ballad of Harlan County My grandparents, Elve and Flaura Campbell, moved to Sunshine and eventually to Loyall. The other side was the Lounge, a long, narrow open room with a dance floor. what happened to basil collins Unemployment in 2017 was 9.4 percent, far above the national average. Not at all. I was looking for the turnoff to Loll. For many years now, Harlan has had a multi-screen cinema. I still call Harlan home, and as our family decreases, we return to our home to rest in Resthaven until we are all reunited in the hereafter. Enjoyed the article. My parents didnt ever say much about their lives or or about my Grandfathers as both of them met violent deaths back then. Daughter has owned her own business in Harlan for thirty years. Harlan County U.S.A The folks in Brookside were surely Harlan Countians as was the chief gun thug, Basil Collins. Home; Movies; TV Shows; People. I used to sleep on the bread racks. Glad that youre happy in whatever metro area you moved to. They are either Harlan by birth or moved there at a young age. Tons of great memories and good friends. If we had a problem like that today in my slice of Suburbia, there would be a full-blown panic. My great aunt Alafair lived there till she died and her beauty shop was still there, run by one of daughters the last time I was there. While not as corrupt as his predecessor Boyle, he seems on his way down that pathor not. I raised my daughter hereBTW she has owned a successful swimming pool and fence company here for 35 yrs. An outlander is someone who used to live in Harlan. Earlier strikes had resulted in a great deal of bloodshed on both sides. Im class of 83. Im from graysknob, pine branch was were I lived till I was 17 then we moved to Putney. Harlan is quiet, unless you grew up near the railroad tracks like I did. Trust me on this one. ENJOYED YOUR ARTICLE, WOULDNT TRADE THE PLACE I GREW UP FOR ANY PLACE IN THE WORLD . In fact, when I was down there on business a couple of years ago, I saw a couple hanging out in front of rock store. Mrs Abraham was my Home Ec teacher @Hall High. Only if were talking to another Harlan Countian would we narrow the description to the town. I was born and raised in Harlan, KY a lil place called Sunshine. I live here because I truly love this beautiful part of Kentucky and America. Basil was a neighbor of ours when I was a kid, so I know he was real. WebBasil Collins the mine foreman might have been one of the best villians I have ever seen in movies, except for the fact that he was real. Me, my brother and sister went to church every Sundaywe werent allowed to even go to the toilet until after church. First, there is a Holiday Express in Harlan, and a few other places to stay if you want to visit our town and county. She always bought some, even though she was never sure if doing so was legal. So, I speak of how it was 30 years ago. As for accent and all that, I never noticed having any problems understanding anything anybody said, strange utterances, etc. Congrats on a good job describing a little bit of what most folks cant imagine happened. Not a native but my ears always perk up when I hear Harlan. Coming Down The Cumberland: History of the Maggard Family-- V. N. Bud Phillips 2. Thanks for the kind words. Awesome story. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN HARLAN,CO. And to the ones that moved away (say to the north) or wherever, it shows very little respect and class to put down the place you came from. It is not, as you might think, simply the eastern half of the great Commonwealth of Kentucky. There was nothing like sitting on the front porch swing drinking RCs from my uncles one room store. I am Wayne Middletons daughter. In reference to going swimming in the river and the city pool, we did that too. I still have family in Cawood and Baxter but I dont get up there much.. Jennifer, I moved to the Tampa Bay area when I was four and a half. The first of the month is a big time in Harlan. It still is in some ways, although it has been many years since the United Mine Workers Association held great sway. I would have loved to have had that McDonalds there when I was kid. They just inflict harm. Whitley County has an interstate so are they still Eastern Kentucky? Join us . No one from Harlan . Im proud of where Im from and yes my Daddy was a coal miner for a time. They had no desire to ever live anywhere else. Just discovered your blog. She was one of my favorite. Really enjoyed the article. Ive been gone for 20+ years now. Harlan Countians like Justified. Have lived in SC for the past 25 yrs but everyone who knows me knows where I come from. My mother moved to Harlan County from Pike County at around age 12 and never left except to attend college. I had friend in Sunshine growing up. I also have no desire to change this wonderful region.am I forgiven? Theyre usually the folks who dream of turning all of Eastern Kentucky into a massive tourist destination by having all the people who live there pack up and move. IMDbPro. Edit. For you truly arent a Harlanian, to show such disrespect. They were pretty quick to tell you that they were from Harlan. In Atlanta, some of the New Yorkers that worked with me at the ad agency used to continually ask me where I was from just to hear me say it. Of course you have to wash it all down with whole milk from Chappells Dairy! The Short area), my last name being Short the Ackley Hotel in Harlan until he retired and moved back to Cumberland. It even had an old balcony whererumor had itblack folks used to be seated. I have all the respect in the world for the good people in Harlan county its rough with mines getting shut down and people loosing what they know best and thats coal Im sorry it rough that is a reason I moved but keep strong everyone in Harlan has a big heart and I promise they are some the best people u ever meet in ur life. Fantastic post, though. I am an outlander. He worked at Eastover for several years after the strike until Duke closed the mines. Stumbled across your post. It was gray and you had to add the coloring to it. Two Men Are Shot in Kentucky In Incident Laid to Mine If you dont, I cant fault you for that, either. LOL! Im not sure where you found this, but most folks realize that some of it is tongue-in-cheek. I miss Government Cheese. I do find a lot of people think Harlan is Hazzard from the TV show, so they ask me if Harlan is in Hazzard county and if I knew Luke and Bo Duke???? We often visited Harlan as most of our relatives were there. She used it for many recipes, everything from casseroles to sauces. To her credit this pretty city girl took these inconveniences in her stride and made this mountain man a very good wife. His name was Wiley Holmes. John, this is really good stuff! Life in the mountains is easy or hardvery little in between. Overall, we like the stereotypical portrayal of Harlan. When we went to high school, we identified as being from Loyallor Hall or Wallins. Regardless, they came back. Harlan County is not on the way to anywhere. I went to Cumberland College, Austin Peay Univ for my first masters, Trevecca University for my doctorate, second masters, and administrative certification. If you need to go someplace that can be accessed through Harlan County, I guarantee that theres an easier, quicker way to get there. One of the only times I used my dads reputation, telling the guy to go ahead but it was going to be his last night on Earth, because if I didnt kill him, my dad would. A few notes: The qualifications for Eastern Kentucky status include: I hail from Harlan County, the Eastern Kentuckiest of all counties. http://www.kentuckytourism.com/places_to_stay/holiday-inn-express/73/ just saying. However, I always tell my two teenagers that some of the smartest people they will ever meet come from the mountains of Kentucky and may have never finished high school! I knew no one married to his own sister and just a handful married to their cousins. And a little c.r.a.z.y. My Mom was a nurse at the hospital there (where I was born in 66). I KNOW A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE AT CAWOOD AND SMITH, KY. my husband was raised knowing your dad and all your family I love your blog. The rest of us (that includes me) hate the image of Harlan Countians as violent, uneducated hooligans. Youre probably thinking of Arthur Johnson. I remember it seemed like every time my high school played Cawood there was a knife fight. born & raised Pathfork Ky~, Thanks. John I USE TO WORK IN THE COAL MINE AT THREE POINT, CRANKS AND HARLAN. Personal details. Grew up in Loyall. There are good people and bad people. No worries. Black lung finally got the best of him but legally these days black lung doesnt exist. I feel the same way, even though my sons say they cant believe I grew up there! Both our families are made up of longtime coal miners and school teachers. Its boring. First time reading it. Im from Loyall. As I was merrily driving along, I was suddenly chastised soundly for missing the road. I feel like they are missing something that we experienced, but so is life. Im from a family of 12, but no inbreds here, but I do know cousins who married. I dont remember Chappells slogan, but I do remember: Thats what I saidBunny Bread! I also remember the 1st grade field trip to Chappells, Bunny Bread and Harlan Ice. Why turn here, I ask? Although its closer to Hazard than Harlan, I would reply, Bean Patch Holler on Irishman Creek! They loved it! Ruby did you know a family named Clark? There are differences: we`re north east, you`re south east. I thought Harlan was great as a kid but my wife told me if I ever wanted a divorce all I had to do was move here to Harlan. I wonder why they went to Harlan to get married. I visit very often, as my father still lives there. Even though I had been lots of places, leaving Harlan took me out of my comfort zone. All thats left is the yard and that light. BTW I live on Watts Creek and have most of my life..off and on. My dad taught there from 66 96. They know whats best for Harlan, though, and wont hesitate to tell you. Im not from Kentucky saw this blog post through a friends facebook but Ive really enjoyed reading it and the comments! People may had been living on Government cheese when you grew up and the first may had been like a amusement park, but all that has changed. I do not intend to change it now and I am NOT ashamed of it. Dad was born and raised there. Parents moved to Dayton, OH in 63. In fact, I got up this morning with the intent or renewing my research. Oh, and that knife fight deal down there: I saw a big one at Hall once, in the yard in front of the school crazy watching the teachers try to break that one up. I still have a lot of family living in Harlan, Evarts, going all the way to Holmes Mill (Alias. We know at least one person whose mother was really their grandmother, and sister was their mother. Most of them have never even been to Ky let alone Harlan. Again, they are excluded because of lack of isolation. Also attended and graduated from Loyall High, where I was cheerleader and fairly popular. We have live all over Eastern Ky, moved south to the Carolinas, then back to eastern Ky for a couple years.
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